Year Two Day 118 Obama Administration May 18, 2010 - History

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10:00AM THE PRESIDENT receives the Presidential Daily Briefing

Oval Office


10:30AM THE PRESIDENT receives the Economic Daily Briefing

Oval Office


11:20AM THE PRESIDENT departs the White House en route Andrews Air Force Base


12:50PM THE PRESIDENT arrives in Youngstown, Ohio

Youngstown-Warren Air Reserve Station


1:20PM THE PRESIDENT tours the facilities of V&M Star

Youngstown, Ohio


1:45PM THE PRESIDENT delivers remarks on jobs and the economy to workers

V&M Star


3:20PM THE PRESIDENT departs Youngstown, Ohio en route Andrews Air Force Base

Youngstown-Warren Air Reserve Station


4:25PM THE PRESIDENT arrives at Andrews Air Force Base


4:55PM THE PRESIDENT arrives at the White House

5:15PM THE PRESIDENT meets with Jewish Members of the Democratic Caucuses


The Sissy Boy Experiment

It's very rare that a blog does some serious investigative reporting, but that's just what Box Turtle Bulletin has done.

In 1970, a well-known expert on homosexuality and transgender issues appeared on a local television talk show in Los Angeles to talk about feminine boys. He described how very young boys who behaved in a feminine manner would almost invariably grow up to become a homosexual. Alongside that expert was a gay man who described his own childhood and confirmed what the expert said. But there was hope, the expert announced. A new program at the University of California at Los Angeles would ensure these young boys grew up to become masculine, normal men. The expert gave a list of symptoms to watch out for, and urged his viewers to call him if their children exhibited the problems he described.

The mother of a four year, eleven month old boy saw that program that afternoon. She noted the list of symptoms that the expert gave and concluded that there was something seriously wrong with her son. She and her husband decided to take their young boy to UCLA for treatment to prevent him from growing up to be gay.

The boy's name was Kirk Murphy.  He was "treated" by a young UCLA grad named George Alan Rekers.

The UCLA treatment was partially successful.  Then, Kirk's therapy — the one devised by George Alan Rekers — went into the household.  Blue and red poker chips were used.  The mother explains:

“When Kirk would do something bad, or play with the doll instead of the train or the truck or whatever, he would get a red poker chip. If he picked up a helicopter or an airplane or did a boy thing, then he would get a blue chip. At the end of the day, I would deduct the red from the blue. And then however many blue chips there were, they told me to give him an M&M for each for a reward. And then I had to keep this all written down.”

Over time, the punishments got stronger — they turned into beatings.

But after a while, the therapy was deemed a success.  George Alan Rekers had made a name for himself in the psychology community, and wrote dozens of papers about Kirk (who was named "Craig" in the literature).

You may have already guessed the rest.  Kirk survived his ordeal, and he continued to grow up under relative anonymity. Neither he nor his family knew that he was the subject of nearly two decades of discussion among behavioral therapists working to change their clients' sexual orientation. Through it all, Rekers wrote that Kirk had a "normal male identity, had normal aspirations for growing up to be married and have a family, and was well-adjusted as a teen-age boy in general."

The truth was far different. His suicide attempt at the age of seventeen was unsuccessful. But twenty years later, he took his life on December 21, 2003. He was 38.

And perhaps the name Rekers rings a bell for some of you.  Rekers' career effectively ended on May 4, 2010, when two reporters at The Miami New Times revealed that he had been photographed at the Miami International Airport while returning from an overseas trip in the company of a handsome, blond twenty-years-old man who Rekers found on Rentboy.com.

Rekers protested that he had hired the escort to help him with his luggage, but his escort himself begged to differ. Rekers’s colleagues began distancing themselves from him, and he eventually resigned from the National Association for the Research and Therapy of Homosexuality (NARTH), a group composed of dissident therapists who believe that homosexuality is a pathology in need of treatment, a scientific fallacy proved wrong by Kirk's experience itself.

THe mainstream media focuses on this story too.  Tonight at 10 ET on CNN TV, "AC360º" examines the shocking "experimental therapy" designed to make feminine boys more masculine. See what one family says was the devastating result in a special report, "The Sissy Boy Experiment."


WaPo columnist, Jennifer Rubin: It took less than 4 1/2 years of the Obama presidency for President George W. Bush to mount his comeback. While doing absolutely nothing on his own behalf (he’s been the most silent ex-president in my lifetime), his approval is up to㺯 percent according to The Post/ABC poll. That’s up 14 points from his final poll in office. … Read More

Ten years ago today, President Skippy McNumbskull announced that we were going to war with Iraq. They said Iraq had WMDs. I said the administration had no evidence of WMDs in Iraq.  I said the UN inspectors who were, you know, there, hadn't found any evidence of WMDs, or even the precursors necessary to create WMDs. They said we would … Read More


We have had 1 good day in the market since Obama was elected

For those of you who are so hateful and fearful of what''s to come, why don''t you pack up and move to a different country and leave the rest of us in peace ?


That might be the single best example of ''tolerance'', ''open mindedness'' and ''inclusionary'' values I''ve yet to see here on PS.


There you have it folks. it doesn''t get better!

Movie zombie

Super_Ideal_Rock

i remember not too many years ago when pricecopers were telling me to do this because didn''t [and still don''t] support this stupid iraq war. why isn''t it ok for liberals to say this to conservatives?

Miraclesrule

Ideal_Rock

Dang, I should have just come to page 3, so I could spare myself the agony of reading the entire thread.

starsaph: You are correct. The cause of the current market condition is primarily the morgage crisis and the credit default swaps. Many reputable world, and even U.S. economists predicted the mortgage/credit bubble burst as far back as 02 and 03. However, the "mob rule" of bankers effectively drowned the voices of warning. They didn''t want to hear it. Sometimes it takes a crisis of sufficient magnitude to get someone''s attention. Well, this is a crisis of sufficient magnitude. It has finally gotten everyone''s attention. It''s odd that we don''t sometime''s understand the severity of a problem until we hit our knees. An analogy would be a person who, while in denial, will never go to a doctor until the pain is so bad, they can no longer maintain their denial.

I had an interesting conversation with a friend last night who floated an interesting fault line at the appraisers. I must admit, it did have some merit. After all, I know that the appraising of home values was shady as an oak tree ( I hope I got the tree correct). But then again, values are subjective in that it is variable.

Anyway, I just wanted to waste some time before my conference call and wanted to point out that this crisis is not one of politics, but due to timing, politics is certainly a convenient scapegoat.

Decodelighted

Super_Ideal_Rock

HollyS

Ideal_Rock

Just for once, I''d like to see serious discussion that doesn''t devolve into name-calling and the cyber equivalent of ''flicking'' each other. C''mon. Let''s have one big "nonnie nonnie boo boo" from the Dems, and one giant "yo'' mama wears commie boots" from the Reps, and let''s be done with it already.


"I cannot live without books." - Thomas Jefferson

Goobear78

Brilliant_Rock

Stone_seeker

Shiny_Rock

Date: 11/20/2008 10:36:34 PM
Author: HollyS
Just for once, I''d like to see serious discussion that doesn''t devolve into name-calling and the cyber equivalent of ''flicking'' each other. C''mon. Let''s have one big ''nonnie nonnie boo boo'' from the Dems, and one giant ''yo'' mama wears commie boots'' from the Reps, and let''s be done with it already.

Agreed. I tried to debate the impact of his policies on stocks but I guess you cant criticize a policy on this board without being viewed as criticizing the man. People erupt. People think he''s a relative and not a politician who works for us. 4 pages in this thread and not one Obama supporter has said how my view of the policies I mentioned (unions, more tax, no free trade) were bullish for stocks. I got a lot of "that has nothing to do with the market because he''s not prez yet". Maybe, maybe not, but that shouldnt stop someone who voted for him for saying why his policies would be good for the economy and for stocks as a result.

Oh well. Change you can believe in. and now Change in your pocket.

Miraclesrule

Ideal_Rock

This famous quote from Apple Computers sums up my feelings about the Obama campaign and those who worked diligently to ensure his victory. The economy should never have been a governmental responsibility, but since Americans have chosen to make it so. Cheers to the crazy ones. Let''s hope the new American government comes up with some crazy policies that have long term positive impact on our lives.

"Here''s to the crazy ones. The misfits. The rebels. The troublemakers. The round pegs in the square hole. The ones who see things differently. They''re not fond of rules. And they have no respect for the status quo. You can quote them, disagree with them, glorify or vilify them. About the only thing you can''t do is ignore them. Because they change things. They push the human race forward. And while some may see them as the crazy ones, we see genius. Because the people who are crazy enough to think they can change the world, are the ones who do."

Zhuzhu

Ideal_Rock

IMHO, the reason why you did not receive any "satisfactory feedback" is because of the way your arrived at these conclusions.

For an example. The epidemiological data demonstrates that Chinese Americans have on average lower body mass index (BMI)compared to Caucasian Americans, and the percentage of Chinese American who eat with chopsticks are ALSO much higher than that of Caucasians. Does that mean the usage of chopstick is what "causes" Chinese to have lower BMI than Whites? I think not.

This might be why people find it difficult to comment on your rationale that "because stock market did really bad after the election, therefore Obama (and his policies) must be causing this bad economy".

Regarding what Dems think of Obama's policies, all you have to do is do a search in ATW and you will see many, many threads discussing both sides' point of view.

Decodelighted

Super_Ideal_Rock

Other things that have happened in the last 16 or so days (besides Obama''s election) .

* people holding a positive view of the Republican party drops to 34%
* in-fighting & 2nd guessing makes people wonder if their candidates were outright lying to them in the first place
* highest unemployment levels since 1994
* bailout czar says "oops, I was wrong -- lets switch it up mid-stream!"
* several rates cuts
* incidents of greed publicized & scorned (AIG par-tays, Auto CEO''s private jets)
* world leaders shun Bush, won''t even shake his hand
* Bush *hides*

Wall Street thrives on predictability . Obama''s election shows that the majority of the country craves change. Change = less predictable that the status quo. IMHO it''s a futile exercise to wish Obama would change his stripes & change all his views and swoop in & attempt to save Wall Street the way some Republicans wish he would. It isn''t going to happen. **shrug**

Risingsun

Ideal_Rock

Date: 11/20/2008 9:07:58 PM
Author: miraclesrule
Dang, I should have just come to page 3, so I could spare myself the agony of reading the entire thread.

starsaph: You are correct. The cause of the current market condition is primarily the morgage crisis and the credit default swaps. Many reputable world, and even U.S. economists predicted the mortgage/credit bubble burst as far back as 02 and 03. However, the 'mob rule' of bankers effectively drowned the voices of warning. They didn't want to hear it. Sometimes it takes a crisis of sufficient magnitude to get someone's attention. Well, this is a crisis of sufficient magnitude. It has finally gotten everyone's attention. It's odd that we don't sometime's understand the severity of a problem until we hit our knees. An analogy would be a person who, while in denial, will never go to a doctor until the pain is so bad, they can no longer maintain their denial.

I had an interesting conversation with a friend last night who floated an interesting fault line at the appraisers. I must admit, it did have some merit. After all, I know that the appraising of home values was shady as an oak tree ( I hope I got the tree correct). But then again, values are subjective in that it is variable.

Anyway, I just wanted to waste some time before my conference call and wanted to point out that this crisis is not one of politics, but due to timing, politics is certainly a convenient scapegoat.

VRBeauty

Super_Ideal_Rock

Date: 11/20/2008 10:48:53 PM
Author: stone_seeker


Agreed. I tried to debate the impact of his policies on stocks but I guess you cant criticize a policy on this board without being viewed as criticizing the man. People erupt. People think he's a relative and not a politician who works for us. 4 pages in this thread and not one Obama supporter has said how my view of the policies I mentioned (unions, more tax, no free trade) were bullish for stocks. I got a lot of 'that has nothing to do with the market because he's not prez yet'. Maybe, maybe not, but that shouldnt stop someone who voted for him for saying why his policies would be good for the economy and for stocks as a result.

Oh well. Change you can believe in. and now Change in your pocket.

The premise of your thread was not the impact that Obama's policies might have on the market, it was that his election caused the the fall we're seeing in the stock market.

To which I would reply -- remember the mortgage crisis? hedge funds? margin calls? irrational exhuberance?

I suspect many analysts would agree that the sudden decline in the economy -- and concern a lot of people had about the policies that led to that decline -- had a lot to do with the tide turning in Obama's direction.

Anyhow, if you start out with an inflammatory premise, chances are you'll draw some fire!

Tom Magliozzi of "Car Talk"

Ksinger

Ideal_Rock

Well, I''ve read the whole, painful thread.

So in the spirit of the thread, and for those who would love to lay this whole stinkpile at Obama''s feet before they''re actually under him, here''s one. Krugman. Everything old is new again, it seems. only faster these days.

Everyone’s talking about a new New Deal, for obvious reasons. In 2008, as in 1932, a long era of Republican political dominance came to an end in the face of an economic and financial crisis that, in voters’ minds, both discredited the G.O.P.’s free-market ideology and undermined its claims of competence. And for those on the progressive side of the political spectrum, these are hopeful times.

There is, however, another and more disturbing parallel between 2008 and 1932 — namely, the emergence of a power vacuum at the height of the crisis. The interregnum of 1932-1933, the long stretch between the election and the actual transfer of power, was disastrous for the U.S. economy, at least in part because the outgoing administration had no credibility, the incoming administration had no authority and the ideological chasm between the two sides was too great to allow concerted action. And the same thing is happening now.

It’s true that the interregnum will be shorter this time: F.D.R. wasn’t inaugurated until March Barack Obama will move into the White House on Jan. 20. But crises move faster these days.

How much can go wrong in the two months before Mr. Obama takes the oath of office? The answer, unfortunately, is: a lot. Consider how much darker the economic picture has grown since the failure of Lehman Brothers, which took place just over two months ago. And the pace of deterioration seems to be accelerating.

Most obviously, we’re in the midst of the worst stock market crash since the Great Depression: the Standard & Poor’s 500-stock index has now fallen more than 50 percent from its peak. Other indicators are arguably even more disturbing: unemployment claims are surging, manufacturing production is plunging, interest rates on corporate bonds — which reflect investor fears of default — are soaring, which will almost surely lead to a sharp fall in business spending. The prospects for the economy look much grimmer now than they did as little as a week or two ago.

** rest of article at link above

Stone_seeker

Shiny_Rock

Date: 11/20/2008 11:35:17 PM
Author: zhuzhu

IMHO, the reason why you did not receive any 'satisfactory feedback' is because of the way your arrived at these conclusions.

For an example. The epidemiological data demonstrates that Chinese Americans have on average lower body mass index (BMI)compared to Caucasian Americans, and the percentage of Chinese American who eat with chopsticks are ALSO much higher than that of Caucasians. Does that mean the usage of chopstick is what 'causes' Chinese to have lower BMI than Whites? I think not.

This might be why people find it difficult to comment on your rationale that 'because stock market did really bad after the election, therefore Obama (and his policies) must be causing this bad economy'.

Regarding what Dems think of Obama's policies, all you have to do is do a search in ATW and you will see many, many threads discussing both sides' point of view.

I went to medical school - studies show the use of chopsticks is a factor in obesity levels because it takes longer to eat with them so you eat less. Americans are rare in their use of a fork as a shovel. Most European nations use forks prongs down to stab at food rather than shovel in so much so fast the body doesnt have time to tell itself that its full. But I digress, and I get the point you are making about causation.

The fact remains that no one can (or at least has to this point) argue that higher taxes, stronger unions and no free trade is bullish for stocks. Maybe these things arent the cause of the loss of a third of American net worth since Nov 4th. But when I meet with CEOs and asset managers, not all of whom are republican, they all say that they expect lower corporate profits as a result of some policies by the new administration. So when someone who manages $11 billion fund on behalf of pensions, etc. tell me that the new policies will negatively impact corporate profits and is selling because of that, I put the correlation greater than the zero many of you are putting it at. It may not be 100%, but the point in my post was Obama could help stocks and he is choosing not to.

As another member posted earlier, if Mccain had won or if the market had improved, i'm sure Obama people would have put the correlation at 2000%. So I'm asking for someone to intelligently explain how those policies are bullish for stocks. All I get in response is insult, outrage, and bull$*&t.

The good news is if stocks go down much further, they probably have no where else to go but up.


KKKKids: Where Are They Now?

Almost 10 years ago on this blog, I wrote about Prussian Blue – the name of the rock group comprised of two twin sisters, Lamb and Lynx Gaede, who sang songs about white pride and nationalism and had a huge following among white supremacists.

Here is what they looked like then:

Twins Lamb and Lynx Gaede are singers in a band called Prussian Blue whose songs have nationalistic lyrics branded rascist by critics. The 13-year-old twins from Bakersfield, California, have even modelled T Shirts showing an emblem of Hitler for the website www.ayryanwear.com

As I wrote then, the two girls had been nurtured from birth with the racist beliefs of their mother, April Gaede. They recorded two albums and even toured Europe, performing at white nationalist organizations. They even went on to say that they believed the Holocaust was a “myth,” and in fact, the name Prussian Blue refers to the by-product of the poisonous substance used to gas Jews in concentration camps.

Well, they got a lot of publicity around 2005 — much of it negative as you might suspect — and eventually left Bakersfield, California to go to Montana, where they hoped to hide under a rock.

As they grew older, and much to the disappointment of their racist mother, the girls’ views changed. They now think diversity is great.

They both live in Montana still, with Lamb living on her own and working as a hotel maid, and Lynx lives with their mother, stepdad and half-sister, Dresden (the names of these children, good lord) in a home near Lamb.

As a freshman in high school, Lynx was diagnosed with cancer and a large tumor was removed from her shoulder. She also suffers from a rare condition called CVS, Cyclic Vomiting Syndrome, which sounds like the most horrible disease in the world.

Unfortunately Lamb has suffered from a few health problems as well, including scoliosis and chronic back pain, as well as lack of appetite and emotional stress… wonder where that came from.

But the one thing that helps them get through the day? Pot. Yes, you read that right.

Lynx reveals, “I have to say, marijuana saved my life. I would probably be dead if I didn’t have it.”

In fact, the two made more history as they became one of the first five minors to get a medical marijuana card in Montana

Lynx tried to explain why they got into the business in the first place, saying, “My sister and I were home-schooled. We were these country bumpkins. We spent most of our days up on the hill playing with our goats.”

Lamb adds, “I was just spouting a lot of knowledge that I had no idea what I was saying.”

“We just want to come from a place of love and light,” Lamb said. “I think we’re meant to do something more — we’re healers. We just want to exert the most love and positivity we can.”


Around the world

All 22 countries covered in a September 2008 BBC poll said they would prefer to see Senator Obama elected president ahead of John McCain. [93] In 17 of the 22 nations, people expected relations between the United States and the rest of the world to improve if Senator Obama won. [93] More than 22,000 people were questioned by GlobeScan in countries ranging from Canada to India and across Africa, Europe and South America. [93] The margin in favor of Senator Obama ranged from 9% in India to 82% in Kenya (location of Obama's paternal ancestry), while an average of 49% across the 22 countries preferred Senator Obama compared with 12% preferring Senator McCain. [93] Some four in ten did not express a view. [93]

A similar global poll was held by Reader's Digest, with respondents "overwhelmingly" in favor of Obama from all 17 countries, including Mexico, the United Kingdom, Finland, Sweden, Indonesia and Spain. Russia gave Obama the lowest score among the countries polled, but still preferred Obama over McCain with a 35% margin. [94] In Australia, a poll conducted in August 2008 found that over 75% of Australians wanted Obama to win the presidential election, while only 10% showed support for McCain. [95] [96]

Similar results were found in New Zealand (65% in favor of Obama, 11% in favor of McCain), [97] Japan (49% in favor of Obama, 13% in favor of McCain), [98] France (65% in favor of Obama, 8% in favor of McCain), Italy (70% in favor of Obama, 15% in favor of McCain), Germany (67% in favor of Obama, 6% in favor of McCain) and the Netherlands (90% in favor of Obama, 6% in favor of McCain). [99] The only country surveyed (other than the U.S.) where McCain's popularity rivaled Obama's was Jordan, where 22% were in favor of Obama and 23% in favor of McCain. [100] Obama scored higher approval ratings in all 70 countries covered in an October 2008 Gallup poll, with the most favorable scores coming from Asian and European countries. [101]

In 2007, Christoph von Marschall wrote a book entitled Barack Obama – Der schwarze Kennedy. The literal translation of its German title is "Barack Obama. The Black Kennedy". [102] His book was a best seller in Germany, where other commentators had also made comparisons between the two politicians. [103]

In addition to this, Obama has established close relationships with prominent foreign politicians and elected officials even before his presidential candidacy, notably with Tony Blair, whom he met in London in 2005, with Nicolas Sarkozy, who visited him in Washington in 2006, [104] Kevin Rudd, [105] who spoke with Obama by telephone from Washington, D.C., in 2008 (while Obama was campaigning elsewhere), as well as with Walter Veltroni, who was welcomed in Obama's Senate office in Washington in 2005 [106] [107] and later wrote the introduction to Obama's The Audacity of Hope Italian edition.

Gallup polls have shown that approval ratings of U.S. leadership in other countries have significantly increased since Obama took office, including a 57 percent increase in Ireland, a 41 percent increase in the United Kingdom and a 46 percent increase in Spain. [108] [109]

The results of a BBC World Service poll conducted between November 2009 and February 2010 suggest a sharp, positive, increase in the way citizens of polled countries around the world view the United States. For the first time since the Iraq War in 2003, more people around the world view the United States more positively than negatively. Director of the Program on International Policy Attitudes Steven Kull, who partnered in directing the poll, stated "after a year, it appears the 'Obama effect' is real", referring to the fact that Obama had been in office around one year at the time the polls were taken. [110]

In response to a petition and a Facebook group, Indonesian authorities are debating whether to relocate a bronze statue in Jakarta depicting Obama as a smiling 10-year-old child. The petitioners are asking that the statue be relocated to the elementary school Obama had attended as a child while living in Menteng for four years. [111]


Obama's History of Hostile Actions Against Israel

The left is in bed with the Devil when it comes to hating Jews….

Two of Satan’s favorite helpers, louis farrakhan and the rev jeremiah wright

are two of obama’s best buddies and we can’t forget professor gates.

Can you just imagine if for one moment Trump were to surround

himself with the equivalent on the Right Side.

The Truth of the matter is you can’t find their equivalent on the Right Side…..

The Tards and their LYING HOAXING FAKE NEWS have to make them up………

Gold Member

The left is in bed with the Devil when it comes to hating Jews….

Two of Satan’s favorite helpers, louis farrakhan and the rev jeremiah wright

are two of obama’s best buddies and we can’t forget professor gates.

Can you just imagine if for one moment Trump were to surround

himself with the equivalent on the Right Side.

The Truth of the matter is you can’t find their equivalent on the Right Side…..

The Tards and their LYING HOAXING FAKE NEWS have to make them up………

You can’t dispute one syllable of it you ignorant Tard Zealot….

Even as stupid as you are,

you have to know deep down you are full of SHIT…

Platinum Member
Platinum Member

The left is in bed with the Devil when it comes to hating Jews….

Two of Satan’s favorite helpers, louis farrakhan and the rev jeremiah wright

are two of obama’s best buddies and we can’t forget professor gates.

Can you just imagine if for one moment Trump were to surround

himself with the equivalent on the Right Side.

The Truth of the matter is you can’t find their equivalent on the Right Side…..

The Tards and their LYING HOAXING FAKE NEWS have to make them up………

You can’t dispute one syllable of it you ignorant Tard Zealot….

Even as stupid as you are,

you have to know deep down you are full of SHIT…

You want me to prove that I'm not Satan?

Suck the corn out of my toilet bowl

FrancoHFW

Diamond Member

They can have an economy, in Transjordan, which is East of the Jordan River.

People both in Gaza and The West Bank, have jobs, buy groceries, have houses, cars etc.

So what the heck are you talking about?

So now we're going to get lost in arguing over historical facts and fight over those?

Israel is there. They exist as much as the Palestinian people do and both have the exact same right to exist.

Israel has taken a position that says the Palestinians DON'T have a right to be there. And their sycophants on this thread have advocated ethnic cleansing (the Transjordan nonsense saying they should be pushed out of the West Bank and into Jordan)

Are we proponents of ethnic cleansing now?

Are you truly this much of hate filled shill? Do you truly have so little knowledge of what's happening there?
FACT: The "Palestinians" are a ball tossed about by radical factions from various extremist bents. The PLO and HAMAS use the PALESTINIANS as shields when they want to fight. The average "Palestinian" just wants to work and feed his family like everyone else does. It's the Radical factions that create this entire bullshit "scenario".

IF the terrorists laid their arms down there would be peace in the Middle East. If Israel lays down theirs the nation would be annihilated. I've BEEN there asshole. I've eaten at the same table as Israeli's, Palestinians, Lebanese and Egyptians. Go fuck yourself because you are a stupid hack.

Gold Member

The left is in bed with the Devil when it comes to hating Jews….

Two of Satan’s favorite helpers, louis farrakhan and the rev jeremiah wright

are two of obama’s best buddies and we can’t forget professor gates.

Can you just imagine if for one moment Trump were to surround

himself with the equivalent on the Right Side.

The Truth of the matter is you can’t find their equivalent on the Right Side…..

The Tards and their LYING HOAXING FAKE NEWS have to make them up………

You can’t dispute one syllable of it you ignorant Tard Zealot….

Even as stupid as you are,

you have to know deep down you are full of SHIT…

You want me to prove that I'm not Satan?

Suck the corn out of my toilet bowl

You can't dispute one word about what a Jew hating racist obama is.

Do you have any idea how amazingly stupid you are?

The Original Tree

Diamond Member

Who is advocating ethnic cleansing? Not one poster here in 11 pages that I saw said that.

All that was said is there is no such thing as a Palestinian Race. They are Egyptians, Jordanians and Syrians and if they want to stay in the area The UN and League Of Nations gave them a place called Transjordan which is The East Bank of The Jordan River. The West Bank Belongs to Israel.

If they don’t like living near Israel, they can move back to Syria, Jordan, & Egypt.

Gold Member

They can have an economy, in Transjordan, which is East of the Jordan River.

People both in Gaza and The West Bank, have jobs, buy groceries, have houses, cars etc.

So what the heck are you talking about?

So now we're going to get lost in arguing over historical facts and fight over those?

Israel is there. They exist as much as the Palestinian people do and both have the exact same right to exist.

Israel has taken a position that says the Palestinians DON'T have a right to be there. And their sycophants on this thread have advocated ethnic cleansing (the Transjordan nonsense saying they should be pushed out of the West Bank and into Jordan)

Are we proponents of ethnic cleansing now?

Are you truly this much of hate filled shill? Do you truly have so little knowledge of what's happening there?
FACT: The "Palestinians" are a ball tossed about by radical factions from various extremist bents. The PLO and HAMAS use the PALESTINIANS as shields when they want to fight. The average "Palestinian" just wants to work and feed his family like everyone else does. It's the Radical factions that create this entire bullshit "scenario".

IF the terrorists laid their arms down there would be peace in the Middle East. If Israel lays down theirs the nation would be annihilated. I've BEEN there asshole. I've eaten at the same table as Israeli's, Palestinians, Lebanese and Egyptians. Go fuck yourself because you are a stupid hack.

The Original Tree

Diamond Member

That’s a lie. The Gaza Strip border Egypt and Saudi Arabia and traffic does go in and out of Israel from there. They have schools grocery stores gas stations.

The West Bank which again is Israeli Territory has access to Jordan, Syria, and Saudi Arabia’s economy.

They too can travel in and out of Israel.

There are check points, but come on, you got Hamas and PLO trying to kill Jews every day from that area, even launching rockets and mortors from there.

They can have an economy, in Transjordan, which is East of the Jordan River.

People both in Gaza and The West Bank, have jobs, buy groceries, have houses, cars etc.

So what the heck are you talking about?

So now we're going to get lost in arguing over historical facts and fight over those?

Israel is there. They exist as much as the Palestinian people do and both have the exact same right to exist.

Israel has taken a position that says the Palestinians DON'T have a right to be there. And their sycophants on this thread have advocated ethnic cleansing (the Transjordan nonsense saying they should be pushed out of the West Bank and into Jordan)

Are we proponents of ethnic cleansing now?

Are you truly this much of hate filled shill? Do you truly have so little knowledge of what's happening there?
FACT: The "Palestinians" are a ball tossed about by radical factions from various extremist bents. The PLO and HAMAS use the PALESTINIANS as shields when they want to fight. The average "Palestinian" just wants to work and feed his family like everyone else does. It's the Radical factions that create this entire bullshit "scenario".

IF the terrorists laid their arms down there would be peace in the Middle East. If Israel lays down theirs the nation would be annihilated. I've BEEN there asshole. I've eaten at the same table as Israeli's, Palestinians, Lebanese and Egyptians. Go fuck yourself because you are a stupid hack.

FrancoHFW

Diamond Member

They can have an economy, in Transjordan, which is East of the Jordan River.

People both in Gaza and The West Bank, have jobs, buy groceries, have houses, cars etc.

So what the heck are you talking about?

So now we're going to get lost in arguing over historical facts and fight over those?

Israel is there. They exist as much as the Palestinian people do and both have the exact same right to exist.

Israel has taken a position that says the Palestinians DON'T have a right to be there. And their sycophants on this thread have advocated ethnic cleansing (the Transjordan nonsense saying they should be pushed out of the West Bank and into Jordan)

Are we proponents of ethnic cleansing now?

Are you truly this much of hate filled shill? Do you truly have so little knowledge of what's happening there?
FACT: The "Palestinians" are a ball tossed about by radical factions from various extremist bents. The PLO and HAMAS use the PALESTINIANS as shields when they want to fight. The average "Palestinian" just wants to work and feed his family like everyone else does. It's the Radical factions that create this entire bullshit "scenario".

IF the terrorists laid their arms down there would be peace in the Middle East. If Israel lays down theirs the nation would be annihilated. I've BEEN there asshole. I've eaten at the same table as Israeli's, Palestinians, Lebanese and Egyptians. Go fuck yourself because you are a stupid hack.

Platinum Member

Who is advocating ethnic cleansing? Not one poster here in 11 pages that I saw said that.

All that was said is there is no such thing as a Palestinian Race. They are Egyptians, Jordanians and Syrians and if they want to stay in the area The UN and League Of Nations gave them a place called Transjordan which is The East Bank of The Jordan River. The West Bank Belongs to Israel.

If they don’t like living near Israel, they can move back to Syria, Jordan, & Egypt.

Talk out of both sides of your mouth much?

FIrst you say you don't advocate ethnic cleansing and then you describe doing exactly that.

What you call "Transjordan" is actually. read this slowly. JORDAN. Moving 3 million people OUT of the West Bank is indeed ethnic cleansing. Into a country that certainly doesn't want to receive 3 million refugees.

And when you "cleanse" an area of a certain group of people. that's ethnic cleansing. You ain't gonna be kicking out Jewish "settlers" (illegal squatters) are you?

Billo_Really

Litre of the Band

Since we are talking a lot about Anti-Semitism in The Democrat Party, I thought I'd post this. This is just off the top of my head, but I will provide links to articles that go in to a lot more detail at the bottom.

The reason Obama actually abruptly pulled out of the Syria & Iraq region against the advice of his generals was because he worked up a dirty deal with terrorists, AGAIN to launch a Military COUP against SYRIA. ISIS was an A Barak Hussein Obama creation.
Obama actually provided financial support to certain factions of ISIS to attack Syria which is unthinkable for a civilized human being to do, let alone a US President.

Obama gave the worst terrorist state in the world, Iran $150 Billion. They used this money to buy Russian Uranium which actually came from the US through Canada via another dirty deal Obama orchestrated, The Uranium One Deal. The used that $150 Billion to build up their military, hire Russian Scientists, and weapons developers to help build Iran, Drones, Missile Defense Systems and Nuclear ICMBS now with the Range to Obliterate Israel. Iran is an enemy of Israel and The United States just like ISIS is.

Obama also sponsored a COUP in Turkey that failed. He wanted a leadership there that was more hostile towards Israel.

Obama launched illegal and unconstitutional military operations in Syria to help depose Assad because Assad is not as hostile towards Israel as Obama wanted him to be. I don't like Assad at all. But the world is actually better off with him running Syria than ISIS would have been.

Obama & Clinton paid and armed The Muslim Brotherhood terrorist organization to launch a COUP in Egypt. They are enemies of Israel.

Obama & Clinton paid and armed Al Queda in Libya to assassinate Qaddafi and start a COUP in Libya. They are enemies of Israel.

Side Note: Obama & Clinton against International Law, used The Benghazi Post as a weapons depot to arm The Terrorists that assassinated Qaddafi. Al Qaeda found out about it by hacking in to Sid Blumenthal's Yahoo account that Hillary Clinton emailed him at from her secret server. She was sharing classified information with him about weapons purchases and other actions by our government for the sole purpose of Insider Trading Profiteering. This by the way is just one of the reasons Obama lied about the existence of Hillary's Server and why he lied about him and his staff emailing her through it using aliases. All the emails on that server despite being bleach bitted were classified by Obama as "Crucial to National Security" so despite finding copies of all of them on Anthony Weiner's laptop, The Public will never be allowed to see them. But back to the crux of this side note, I didn't like Qaddafi, but Libya was better under him than it is under Al Qeada.

Obama has given weapons and money to Al Nusra. They are enemies of Israel.

Obama has given weapons and money to HAMAS and THE PLO. They are enemies of Israel.

Obama as he was leaving office stabbed Israel in the back by sponsoring an Anti-Israel UN Resolution as his last official act as president.

Obama poured millions of dollars in to INTEFERING with Israel's elections to try to remove Benjamin Netanyahoo, because Benji is extremely set against giving up land for peace.

Side Note: Trans-Jordan was always designated as the other half of so called Palestine when the UN divided that area to create a two state system for Jews and Arabs living in that area. The Arabs in that area refused to occupy or were prevented by Jordan from occupying the area designated for them by The UN, so The Fake Palestinians have no claim on any land they are squatting on. Go to Trans-Jordan.

Obama & Clinton are both Anti-Semite racists, Hell bent on eliminating Israel from The Middle East and surrounded Israel with numerous more hostile enemies.


Career

Following law school, she was an associate at the Chicago office of the law firm Sidley Austin, where she first met her future husband. At the firm, she worked on marketing and intellectual property. [4] She continues to hold her law license, but as she no longer needs it for her work, it has been on a voluntary inactive status since 1993. [74] [75]

In 1991, she held public sector positions in the Chicago city government as an Assistant to the Mayor, and as Assistant Commissioner of Planning and Development. In 1993, she became Executive Director for the Chicago office of Public Allies, a non-profit organization encouraging young people to work on social issues in nonprofit groups and government agencies. [26] She worked there nearly four years and set fundraising records for the organization that still stood 12 years after she left. [20]

In 1996, Obama served as the Associate Dean of Student Services at the University of Chicago, where she developed the University's Community Service Center. [76] In 2002, she began working for the University of Chicago Hospitals, first as executive director for community affairs and, beginning May 2005, as Vice President for Community and External Affairs. [77] She continued to hold the University of Chicago Hospitals position during the primary campaign, but cut back to part-time in order to spend time with her daughters as well as work for her husband's election [78] she subsequently took a leave of absence from her job. [79] According to the couple's 2006 income tax return, her salary was $273,618 from the University of Chicago Hospitals, while her husband had a salary of $157,082 from the United States Senate. The Obamas' total income, however, was $991,296, which included $51,200 she earned as a member of the board of directors of TreeHouse Foods, and investments and royalties from his books. [80] Obama reflected that she had never been happier in her life prior to working "to build Public Allies". [81]

Obama served as a salaried board member of TreeHouse Foods, Inc. (NYSE: THS), [82] a major Wal-Mart supplier with which she cut ties immediately after her husband made comments critical of Wal-Mart at an AFL-CIO forum in Trenton, New Jersey, on May 14, 2007. [83] She also served on the board of directors of the Chicago Council on Global Affairs. [84]


Early life and career

After her divorce, Dunham married Indonesian student Lolo Soetoro, who was attending college in Hawaii. When Soeharto, a military leader in Soetoro’s home country, came to power in 1967, all students studying abroad were recalled and the family moved to Indonesia. [ 16 ] There Obama attended local schools in Jakarta, such as Besuki Public School and St. Francis of Assisi School, until he was ten years old.

He then returned to Honolulu to live with his maternal grandparents, Madelyn andStanley Armour Dunham, while attending Punahou School from the fifth grade in 1971 until his graduation from high school in 1979. [ 17 ] Obama’s mother returned to Hawaii in 1972 for five years, and then in 1977 went back to Indonesia, where she worked as an anthropological field worker. She stayed there most of the rest of her life, returning to Hawaii in 1994. She died of ovarian cancer in 1995. [ 18 ]

Right-to-left: Barack Obama and half-sister Maya Soetoro-Ng, with their mother Ann Dunham and grandfather Stanley Dunham, in Hawaii (early 1970s).

Of his early childhood, Obama has recalled, “That my father looked nothing like the people around me — that he was black as pitch, my mother white as milk — barely registered in my mind.” [ 19 ] In his 1995 memoir, he described his struggles as a young adult to reconcile social perceptions of his multiracial heritage. [ 20 ] He wrote that he used alcohol, marijuana andcocaine during his teenage years to “push questions of who I was out of my mind.” [ 21 ] At the2008 Civil Forum on the Presidency, Obama identified his high-school drug use as his “greatest moral failure.” [ 22 ]

Some of his fellow students at Punahou School later told the Honolulu Star-Bulletinthat Obama was mature for his age, and that he sometimes attended college parties and other events in order to associate with African American students and military service people. Reflecting later on his formative years in Honolulu, Obama wrote: “The opportunity that Hawaii offered — to experience a variety of cultures in a climate of mutual respect — became an integral part of my world view, and a basis for the values that I hold most dear.” [ 23 ]

Following high school, Obama moved to Los Angeles in 1979 to attend Occidental College. [ 24 ] After two years he transferred in 1981 toColumbia University in New York City, where he majored in political science with a specialization in international relations. [ 25 ] Obama graduated with a B.A. from Columbia in 1983. He worked for a year at the Business International Corporation [ 26 ] [ 27 ] and then at the New York Public Interest Research Group. [ 28 ] [ 29 ]

After four years in New York City, Obama moved to Chicago, where he was hired as director of the Developing Communities Project (DCP), a church-based community organization originally comprising eight Catholic parishes in Greater Roseland (Roseland, West Pullman and Riverdale) on Chicago’s far South Side. He worked there for three years from June 1985 to May 1988. [ 28 ] [ 30 ] During his three years as the DCP’s director, its staff grew from one to thirteen and its annual budget grew from $70,000 to $400,000. His achievements included helping set up a job training program, a college preparatory tutoring program, and a tenants’ rights organization inAltgeld Gardens. [ 31 ] Obama also worked as a consultant and instructor for the Gamaliel Foundation, a community organizing institute. [ 32 ] In mid-1988, he traveled for the first time to Europe for three weeks and then for five weeks in Kenya, where he met many of his paternal relatives for the first time. [ 33 ]

Obama entered Harvard Law School in late 1988. He was selected as an editor of the Harvard Law Review at the end of his first year, [ 34 ] and president of the journal in his second year. [ 35 ] During his summers, he returned to Chicago where he worked as a summer associate at the law firms of Sidley & Austin in 1989 and Hopkins & Sutter in 1990. [ 36 ] After graduating with a Juris Doctor (J.D.) magna cum laude [ 37 ] [ 38 ] from Harvard in 1991, he returned to Chicago. [ 34 ]

Obama’s election as the first black president of the Harvard Law Review gained national media attention [ 35 ] and led to a publishing contract and advance for a book about race relations. [ 39 ] In an effort to recruit him to their faculty, the University of Chicago Law Schoolprovided Obama with a fellowship and an office to work on his book. [ 39 ] He originally planned to finish the book in one year, but it took much longer as the book evolved into a personal memoir. In order to work without interruptions, Obama and his wife, Michelle, traveled to Bali where he wrote for several months. The manuscript was finally published in mid-1995 as Dreams from My Father. [ 39 ]

From April to October 1992, Obama directed Illinois’s Project Vote, a voter registration drive with a staff of ten and 700 volunteers it achieved its goal of registering 150,000 of 400,000 unregistered African Americans in the state, and led to Crain’s Chicago Businessnaming Obama to its 1993 list of 󈬘 under Forty” powers to be. [ 40 ] [ 41 ]

For twelve years, Obama served as a professor at the University of Chicago Law School teaching Constitutional Law. He was first classified as a Lecturer from 1992 to 1996 and then as a Senior Lecturer from 1996 to 2004. [ 42 ] He also joined Davis, Miner, Barnhill & Galland, a twelve-attorney law firm specializing in civil rights litigation and neighborhood economic development, where he was anassociate for three years from 1993 to 1996, then of counsel from 1996 to 2004, with his law license becoming inactive in 2002. [ 28 ] [ 43 ] [ 44 ]

Obama was a founding member of the board of directors of Public Allies in 1992, resigning before his wife, Michelle, became the founding executive director of Public Allies Chicago in early 1993. [ 28 ] [ 45 ] He served from 1994 to 2002 on the board of directors of theWoods Fund of Chicago, which in 1985 had been the first foundation to fund the Developing Communities Project, and also from 1994 to 2002 on the board of directors of the Joyce Foundation. [ 28 ] Obama served on the board of directors of the Chicago Annenberg Challengefrom 1995 to 2002, as founding president and chairman of the board of directors from 1995 to 1999. [ 28 ] He also served on the board of directors of the Chicago Lawyers’ Committee for Civil Rights Under Law, the Center for Neighborhood Technology, and the Lugenia Burns Hope Center. [ 28 ]


Opposition and resistance

Efforts to oppose, undermine, and repeal the legislation have drawn support from prominent conservative advocacy groups, [ 321 ] Congressional and many state Republicans, certain small business organizations, and the Tea Party movement. [ 322 ] These groups believe the law will lead to disruption of existing health plans, increased costs from new insurance standards, and that it will increase the deficit. [ 323 ] Some also are against the idea of universal healthcare, viewing insurance as similar to other commodities to which people are not entitled. [ 324 ] [ 325 ]

Legal challenges

Opponents of the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act turned to the federal courts to challenge the constitutionality of the legislation. [ 326 ] [ 327 ] In National Federation of Independent Business v. Sebelius , decided on June 28, 2012, the Supreme Court ruled on a 5–4 vote that the individual mandate is constitutional under Congress's taxation powers, although the law could not have been upheld under an argument based on the regulatory power of Congress under the Commerce Clause. The Court also determined that states could not be forced to participate in the Medicaid expansion, effectively allowing states to opt out of this provision. As written, the ACA withheld all Medicaid funding from states declining to participate in the expansion. However, the Supreme Court ruled that this withdrawal of funding was unconstitutionally coercive and that individual states had the right to opt out of the Medicaid expansion without losing pre-existing Medicaid funding from the federal government. All provisions of ACA will continue in effect or will take effect as scheduled subject to the states' determination on Medicaid expansion. [ 328 ]

State rejections of Medicaid expansion

Following the Supreme Court ruling in NFIB v. Sebelius , several states with legislatures or governorships controlled by Republicans opted to reject the expanded Medicaid coverage provided for by the Act. Over half of the national uninsured population lives in those states. [ 330 ] As of September 2013, with the addition of Michigan, [ 331 ] 25 states and the District of Columbia have adopted the Medicaid expansion a few states remain undecided. [ 329 ] [ 332 ] [ 333 ] States that decline to expand Medicaid before 2014 may choose to opt in at a later time. [ 334 ]

The drafters of the ACA had intended for Medicaid to cover individuals and families with incomes up to 133% (138% under effective definitions of income [ 335 ] ) of the federal poverty level by expanding Medicaid eligibility and simplifying the CHIP enrollment process. Low-income individuals and families above 100% and up to 400% of the federal poverty level will receive federal subsidies [ 38 ] on a sliding scale if they choose to purchase insurance via an exchange. For example, individuals with incomes between 133% and 150% of the poverty level would be subsidized such that their premium cost would be 3% to 4% of their income. [ 39 ]

However, the Supreme Court ruling created the potential for a coverage gap. States that choose to reject the Medicaid expansion can maintain the pre-existing Medicaid eligibility thresholds they have set, which in many states are significantly below 133% of the poverty line for most individuals. [ 336 ] Furthermore, many states do not make Medicaid available to childless adults at any income level. [ 337 ] Because subsidies on insurance plans purchased through exchanges are not available to those below the poverty line, this will create a coverage gap in those states between the state Medicaid threshold and the subsidy eligibility threshold. [ 338 ] [ 339 ] For example, in Kansas, where only those able-bodied adults with children and with an income below 32% of the poverty line are eligible for Medicaid, those with incomes from 32% to 100% of the poverty level ($6,250 to $19,530 for a family of three) would be ineligible for both Medicaid and federal subsidies to buy insurance. If they have no children, able-bodied adults are not eligible for Medicaid in Kansas. [ 330 ] Studies of the impact of state decisions to reject the Medicaid expansion, as of July 2013, calculate that up to 6.4 million Americans could fall into this coverage gap. [ 340 ]

For states that do expand Medicaid, the law provides that the federal government will pay for 100% of the expansion for the first three years and then gradually reduce its subsidy to 90% by 2020. [ 334 ] Several opposing states argue that the 10% of the funding of the expansion that they will be responsible for will be too much for their states' budgets. [ 334 ] [ 341 ] However, studies suggest that rejecting the expansion will cost states more than expanding Medicaid due to increased spending on uncompensated emergency care that otherwise would have been partially paid for by Medicaid coverage. [ 342 ]

Non-cooperation

Republican officials in several states have decided to oppose elements of the ACA's implementation that they have discretion over. [ 343 ] [ 344 ] [ 345 ] For example, Missouri has not only declined to expand Medicaid or establish a health insurance marketplace but is also engaged in an active program of non-cooperation, having enacted a statute forbidding any state or local official to render any aid not specifically required by federal law to the functioning of the Affordable Care Act. [ 346 ] Other Republican politicians have tried to discourage efforts to advertise the benefits of the law, and some conservative political groups have launched ad campaigns to discourage enrollment. [ 347 ] [ 348 ]

Congressional opposition and government shutdown

Strong opposition in Congress by some Republicans has prevented adjustments to the Act's provisions. [ 344 ] [ 349 ] However, at least one change, a proposed repeal of a tax on medical devices, has received bipartisan support. [ 350 ] Many Congressional Republicans have argued against improvements to the law on the grounds that it will weaken the arguments for repeal. [ 351 ] [ 271 ] Republicans have also attempted to defund its implementation, [ 344 ] [ 352 ] and in October 2013, House Republicans, supported by Senators Rand Paul, Ted Cruz, Mike Lee, and Marco Rubio, refused to fund the federal government unless accompanied with a delay in the ACA, resulting in a government shutdown . [ 353 ] [ 354 ] [ 355 ] [ 345 ] Conservative groups such as Heritage Action provided lobbying support for the linkage between the ACA and the government shutdown. [ 356 ] [ 357 ] [ 358 ] Senate Republicans have also threatened to block appointments to relevant agencies, such as the Independent Payment Advisory Board [ 359 ] and Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services. [ 360 ] [ 361 ]

Repeal efforts

The ACA has been the subject of repeal efforts by Republicans in the 111th, 112th, and 113th Congresses:

Representatives Steve King and Michele Bachmann introduced bills in the House to repeal the ACA the day after it was signed, as did Senator Jim DeMint in the Senate. [ 362 ] In 2011, after Republicans gained control of the House of Representatives, one of the first votes held was on a bill entitled "Repealing the Job-Killing Health Care Law Act" (H.R. 2), which the House passed on a 245–189 vote. [ 363 ] All Republicans and 3 Democrats voted for repeal. [ 364 ] House Democrats proposed an amendment that repeal not take effect until a majority of the Senators and Representatives had opted out of the Federal Employees Health Benefits Program Republicans voted down the measure. [ 365 ] In the Senate, the bill was offered as an amendment to an unrelated bill but was voted down. [ 366 ] President Obama had stated that he would have vetoed the bill even if it had passed both chambers of Congress. [ 367 ]

Following the 2012 Supreme Court ruling upholding the ACA as constitutional, Republicans held another vote to repeal the law on July 11 [ 368 ] the House of Representatives voted with all 239 Republicans and 5 Democrats in favor of repeal—it marked the 31st repeal attempt. [ 369 ] [ 370 ] With President Obama's reelection and the Democrats expanding their majority in the Senate following the 2012 elections , many Republicans conceded that repeal almost certainly will not occur. [ 371 ]

Job consequences of repeal

The House Republican leadership put forth the argument in favor of repeal that "this is a job-killing law, period." [ 372 ] They contended that the ACA would lead to a loss of 650,000 jobs, attributing the figure to a report by the Congressional Budget Office. [ 372 ] However, FactCheck noted the 650,000 figure was not included in the CBO report referred to, saying that the Republican statement "badly misrepresents what the Congressional Budget Office has said about the law. In fact, CBO is among those saying the effect [on employment] 'will probably be small.'" [ 372 ] PolitiFact also rated the Republican statement as "False". [ 373 ]

Jonathan Cohn, citing the projections of the CBO, summarized that the primary employment effect of the ACA is to alleviate job lock: "People who are only working because they desperately need employer-sponsored health insurance will no longer do so." [ 374 ] He concluded that the "reform's only significant employment impact was a reduction in the labor force, primarily because people holding onto jobs just to keep insurance could finally retire" because they have health insurance outside of their jobs. [ 375 ]


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